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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 10:21:52 GMT -5
Um, no. You can twist it in whatever way you like, but in 2009 it was clear that the Diva Division hierarchy was Melina/Michelle, then Mickie/Maryse, and Beth coming it at third place.
Beth was champion for the bulk of 2008. Melina brought that to an end when they used Beth to get face Melina over. Yeah, Glamarella was still going, but it was in its dying days. Pretty much every segment featuring Beth at the beginning of 2009 had something to do with Melina. The exception is the Santina stuff; hardly Beth's best days. Then she completely faded into the background.
Michelle was never on the 'A' show during her time in WWE. Does that change the fact that she was top diva in her latter years? Regardless of whether Mickie was on Raw or not, Melina/Michelle was held with higher regard by WWE. If it wasn't then I doubt they would've gotten the Diva's match on the June PPV card and the better slot on the July PPV. On Mickie's best days in 2009 she was Melina's counterpart. On her less good days she was lagging behind.
And why is it that when Mickie's on Raw feuding for the Diva's title then she's automatically in a better position than Melina with the Women's title on SD, and yet when the roles are reversed Melina is still number two?
I'd also argue that Melina was the top female for the first half of 2005.
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Post by Tarry on Jul 16, 2011 10:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 10:26:08 GMT -5
Oh, and let's not forget that Melina was booked as the star of the Survivor Series match, despite Mickie being labelled team leader.
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Post by Burke on Jul 16, 2011 10:32:54 GMT -5
Melina feuded with Michelle and lost every important match. Then Michelle went on to feud with Mickie in a storyline that got more attention than any diva related one in years (even though I hated it). So again, Melina was positioned below Michelle. Therefore... not the top star. I'd also argue that Melina was the top female for the first half of 2005. Melina was barely around for the first half of 2005 and she debuted around the same time Lita turned heel and aligned with Edge. So yeah, in Trish's absence (due to injury), Lita was easily the biggest star at that point. Oh, and let's not forget that Melina was booked as the star of the Survivor Series match, despite Mickie being labelled team leader. Too late. Already forgot. |
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 10:40:42 GMT -5
You don't have to be reigning champion to be top star. When Trish lost to Victoria and Jazz all those times does that mean she was playing second fiddle to them? Regardless of whether or not Michelle beat her in the title matches, Melina was without question the top face during her SmackDown run. And again, Melina was given the last laugh, NOC10 not included.
I'm not denying that Michelle had a terrific 2009, but Melina was ahead of her for the first half and had an excellent second half as well. To say Mickie and Beth had a stronger year than her - and you did, so don't try to deny it - is ludicrous. I'll concede to her being slightly behind those two in the latter half of 2007 and in very early 2008, but no way in hell did they have a better 2009 than Melina. I won't even get started on Maryse.
I don't think Lita was booked as strongly as Melina in early 2005. At that point they were planting the seeds for Melina and eventually Mickie.
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 10:43:34 GMT -5
Too late. Already forgot. Convenient. |
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Post by Burke on Jul 16, 2011 10:55:00 GMT -5
OMFG. My point is that Melina has never been the top female at any point. There's always been at least one person above her or at the very least equal to her at any given time. When Trish Stratus/Michelle McCool were being pushed they were undeniably above everyone else. Melina was always on roughly the same level as a Mickie James or a Beth Phoenix and definitely below Trish and Lita before they left.
Even when Melina had her highest profile storyline ever with Mick Foley that one time it happened at the exact same time Lita was on the A show interacting with John Cena (the biggest star in the company) and Edge (the biggest heel in the company) every week which was far more high profile that what Melina was doing.
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 11:17:05 GMT -5
Except she was in 2009. If Beth was above her for the first half of that year then I doubt Melina would have owned her in every match they had. I mean, that's your logic re: Melina/Michelle, right? Melina was clearly the top female, and whether you choose to screw your pride and admit to it is up to you.
And you're getting your years mixed up btw. I never said Melina was ahead of Lita in Summer 06.
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Post by Burke on Jul 16, 2011 11:29:25 GMT -5
Melina was not a bigger star/babyface than Mickie James in 2009 (or anytime ever tbh). At a stretch there were times she was roughly her equal.
And have we really went from "the woman who was the figurehead of the division for years" to almost "...well there was that 2 week period in late January of 2009 when she was kinda on the same level as Mickie"?
I'll make this easier for you. Melina was the biggest star in the WWE diva division this past decade who had the initials MP and used the splits during her entrance. Maybe we can agree on that.
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 11:39:57 GMT -5
Try twelve months. I actually remember the bulk of the members on this forum agreeing that Melina had exceeded Mickie during the late Summer of '09 in an IMDb thread, not that they'll ever admit to it.
I actually argued that Mickie was a stronger babyface and would win the crowd's support if they were ever pitted against each other, but it was clear that Mickie was losing momentum whereas Melina was on fire.
Maryse fans are so deluded.
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Post by Tarry on Jul 16, 2011 11:41:31 GMT -5
Maryse fans are so deluded.  |
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Post by Burke on Jul 16, 2011 11:48:12 GMT -5
Good lord...even if Melina did "exceed Mickie in late summer of 2009" (she didn't btw), by that point Michelle was clearly positioned to be above both of them anyway. And you said earlier... Melina HAS been figurehead of the division for years. This. Is. Not. True! That's all I'm saying. |
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 11:49:58 GMT -5
I'm confused. If you consider Beth and Mickie the 'figureheads' of 2007-2008 then why can't there be two for 2009?
DELUDED.
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Post by Burke on Jul 16, 2011 11:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by Tiarnán on Jul 16, 2011 11:58:56 GMT -5
For all the right reasons. Your argument is stupid.
Swallow your pride and deal with the fact that for an entire year Melina was head of the division. She wasn't a champion in January, February, March, April, May, June, October, November and December for NOTHING.
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