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Post by Burke on Aug 27, 2011 8:18:50 GMT -5
Michelle Williams was great and really creepy in Shutter Island. I haven't saw her in anything else though.
Lol, not like I plan on watching this movie anyway.
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Post by Angelwings on Aug 27, 2011 20:54:19 GMT -5
I realize it has nothing to do directly with this movie, but I want to see Velvet Sky do a photoshoot as Marilyn Monroe. I think it could be nice, if properly done.
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Post by Tarry on Aug 28, 2011 8:10:38 GMT -5
I realize it has nothing to do directly with this movie, but I want to see Velvet Sky do a photoshoot as Marilyn Monroe. I think it could be nice, if properly done. Marilyn photoshoots have become such a cliché though. |
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Post by jayzero42690 on Oct 6, 2011 20:11:25 GMT -5
Doesn't look or sound anything like her. What a terrible casting choice. She sounds like she doing a really really bad British accent that a classic 50's Hollywood style accent.
The movie itself looks good and I'm sure will be nominated for oscars but Michelle Williams ruins it for me. Sorry T.
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 3:47:48 GMT -5
She's not there to imitate Marilyn. Michelle Williams is her own actress, and it'd be unproductive and quite frankly BORING of her to just have mimicked another famous actress, regardless of whether she's portraying her or not. She's there to convey Marilyn in her own way, and there's no doubt that she'll do a good job. I don't think Michelle has had a bad movie role yet, and I think the critics agree with me.
If there's one thing Michelle is brilliant at, it's her ability to pull off the whole broken wing thing. She's going to capture that side of the character perfectly.
Honestly, people have one issue, whether they choose to admit it or not, that being that they think Michelle isn't pretty enough. Big deal.
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Post by jayzero42690 on Oct 7, 2011 13:30:33 GMT -5
She's not there to imitate Marilyn. Michelle Williams is her own actress, and it'd be unproductive and quite frankly BORING of her to just have mimicked another famous actress, regardless of whether she's portraying her or not. But she's playing her. Not a character she played once before or something. When she's playing her she should actually try to act and sound like her. Marilyn Monroe had a very light soft voice, not this hard country twang thing she has going on. When we're watching a bio-pic about Marilyn Monroe, we're supposed to feel like we're watching Marilyn Monroe, not Michelle Williams playing her version of Marilyn Monroe. Honestly, people have one issue, whether they choose to admit it or not, that being that they think Michelle isn't pretty enough. Big deal. That is a pretty big deal, considering she's playing arguably one of the most beautiful people to have ever lived. When you're playing a sex symbol, you should be sexy yourself. It's not even that she's not pretty enough though, it's that she looks absolutely nothing like her. My roomate is a huge Marilyn Monroe fan. This chick has posters on all four walls in her room, her door, her TV stand, she has a fucking cardboard cutout for fucks sake. Not joking, I will take pics if you don't believe me. And she was so upset after watching the trailer and started naming people left and right that could've played a better Marilyn. She said the two major flaws in Michelle Williams that turned her off, were the voice, and the fact that Michelle Williams has no eyelids. Her eyebrows drop down over where her eyelids should be, and if you look at any picture of Marilyn, her eyelids are on of her most defining features.    Michelle Williams doesn't have eyelids    Petty complaint? Maybe. But a major Marilyn flaw nonetheless. Don't get me wrong, she looked like she'll be great in the movie and will no doubt be at least nominated for best actress. But is she Marilyn? Not at all. And in a bio-pic, that's a pretty big deal. If you want to see a good bio-pic, look up Me & Orson Welles. Holy crap. I felt like I was watching Orson Welles. That dude was amazing. That is how a bio-pic should be cast. He was a complete unknown who looked and sounded just like the guy. I know your blind love for people will never get you to see my point, and you'll continue to defend her until your eyes bleed, but trust me when I say, just based on the trailer, she plays an absolutely terrible Marilyn Monroe. Should've hired a Brit.  |
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Post by Brandon on Oct 7, 2011 14:47:47 GMT -5
She's not there to imitate Marilyn. Umm, yeah. She kind of is. Michelle Williams is her own actress, and it'd be unproductive and quite frankly BORING of her to just have mimicked another famous actress, regardless of whether she's portraying her or not. Then perhaps she should strictly take on roles in which she portrays original characters and not accept biopics. |
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 16:29:52 GMT -5
No, she's not there to imitate Marilyn. She's there to play the character of Marilyn. Marilyn was an actress. For Michelle to toss aside everything she brings to the table in favour of mimicking the style of another actress would be stupid. They COULD have gotten someone who perhaps looked a little more like her and sounded a little more like her, but chances are they would've sacrificed actual acting talent in the process, because there aren't many big-time actors out there with Michelle's talent.
I'll reply to JayZero's post tomorrow, because it's really big.
But really, if it concerns you that much then why not just leave it? Are you that big a Marilyn Monroe fan that seeing someone not replicate the mannerisms and appearance of her to the absolute maximum offends you or something?
I also don't get this part:
If you think she'll do great then what's the problem? Would you rather see a good movie with a good but slightly off-centre actress, or a bad movie with a bad actress who looks a little more like Marilyn? That part lost me.
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 16:32:09 GMT -5
My point is that at the end of the day you could find someone more superficially suited to playing Marilyn, but the movie would lack depth. Michelle will capture the aspects of Marilyn that are actually important to the plot and contribute to the overall strength of the film. Like I said before, she shines when playing the whole broken wing role.
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Post by jayzero42690 on Oct 7, 2011 17:04:28 GMT -5
Are you actually reading our posts? Or are you just seeing what you want to see, and only seeing fragments of what we're saying? Like you did when you took the first half of my quote and said you didn't understand it.
I'm not trying to be a dick but you're the worst person to have a debate with. You take everything so personally. And you respond with the same thing over and over again as if we haven't already said our piece on that matter.
This is going to get us nowhere so let's just agree to disagree. K?
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 17:11:58 GMT -5
I did read your post. You basically went on for ages about her not looking and sounding the part, only to then say that you think she'll do well and win lots of awards.
I'm not taking it personally, I'm responding to your posts as the topic is something I care about. My argument was well reasoned: if the movie in itself is good and she does well in the role then does it matter all that much if she doesn't scream 'Marilyn Monroe' at first glance?
I could really throw the "Did you even read my post?" thing back at you, because it's like you've completely disregarded the point I was trying to make and chosen to go down the "Let's change the subject and call him a bad debater!" route instead, which to me just creates the impression that you have no argument.
Trust me, if I was taking it personally then I would've steered away from the actual subject of Michelle and the movie itself. Yet I'm pretty sure you were the one who did that, right? Hmmmm.
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Post by jayzero42690 on Oct 7, 2011 17:18:07 GMT -5
You wanna know what makes it seem like you have no argument? Saying you'll respond tomorrow because my post was "too long"
For the 10th time. It's a bio-pic. In a bio-pic you are supposed to feel like your watching the person the actor or actress is playing. When I see Michelle Williams playing Marilyn Monroe, I don't see Marilyn Monroe, I see Michelle Williams trying to play Marilyn Monroe. And she's not doing a good job. I said she's acting good in it because she is acting good in it. But she's not acting like Marilyn. Which is what she's supposed to do in a fucking bio-pic. Get it?? Jesus Christ! And I don't mean you.
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 17:29:09 GMT -5
I was going to respond tomorrow because a) you're post was too long, and b) I thought I was going out. Trust me, I have no issues when it comes to dragging these things out. I find it interesting that you ignore the paragraph below that which clearly contains an argument.
A biopic is by definition a biographical movie. A movie typically relies on good acting, a decent script and a strong plot. You haven't SEEN the movie yet, you've seen a trailer and some photos of Michelle in Marilyn garb. I don't understand how you can rant and rant about how poor a choice Michelle Williams was based on that. I'm sure you have some reasoning, but in my opinion it doesn't hold much weight. Granted, I haven't seen the movie either, but I'm basing things off of the understanding that Michelle tends to exceed my expectations in roles that require a bit of depth and darkness.
Ultimately it's one thing to look like the woman, and it's another to be able to capture the nuances of her character and to have the ability to deliver the lines of the script. Thank GOD the people in charge of this have considered casting with a little bit of imagination, otherwise we'd probably be going into this movie to find it completely weak at its heart, purely because actually ability was brushed to the side in favour of someone who looks physically identical to MM. I feel like I've said this three times now, but I'm sure you'll choose to ignore it again.
I never denied that Michelle doesn't look much like the woman, but I'll ask you again: will it be that big a problem if the movie is really strong and she does a good job in spite of that?
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Post by jayzero42690 on Oct 7, 2011 17:37:37 GMT -5
I feel like I've said this three times now, but I'm sure you'll choose to ignore it again. I haven't ignored it. I've seen you say it, and I've responded every fucking time! You choose to ignore the fact that I haven't mentioned her looks in 3 posts. I'm saying, she doesn't ACT anything like her!! Get that through your think fucking skull. I'm done. Say whatever you want about me no having an argument or whatever. You're a fucking dumbass. This is the stupidest thing I could possibly argue about in my life and I'm done. You're never going to agree with me. And you're going to continue to say I'm ignoring your points and talking about her looks. Here's a fucking wall. Argue with that. I'm done. |
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Post by Tiarnán on Oct 7, 2011 17:43:10 GMT -5
I feel like I've said this three times now, but I'm sure you'll choose to ignore it again. I haven't ignored it. I've seen you say it, and I've responded every fucking time! You choose to ignore the fact that I haven't mentioned her looks in 3 posts. I'm saying, she doesn't ACT anything like her!! Get that through your think fucking skull. I'm done. Say whatever you want about me no having an argument or whatever. You're a fucking dumbass. This is the stupidest thing I could possibly argue about in my life and I'm done. You're never going to agree with me. And you're going to continue to say I'm ignoring your points and talking about her looks. Here's a fucking wall. Argue with that. I'm done. ...And I'm the one taking things personally. If you're trying to offend me over the internet then you can drop it, because I have worse things to get concerned about than some discussion about an actress in a movie. If you want to cry about it then be my guest. It says a lot about you. I'm done. |
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