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Post by jayzero42690 on Apr 29, 2011 22:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by Tiarnán on May 1, 2011 11:21:14 GMT -5
I won't say I'm happy to see her go, because I have a nasty feeling that her presence is the main reason the SD divas don't get shafted as much as the Raw girls do, but I agree with B. As athletically talented and skilled as Michelle is, I can't say that I feel she deserved the opportunities and pushes (or rather, one endless push) she was given at the expense of stronger women.
Michelle has been heavily pushed since 2007, and yet at the end of the day it's still considered a good night for her if she can get the tiniest bit of heat from the crowd. Had WWE devoted that time to a Mickie or a Melina then I absolutely feel that they'd be placed on Trish/Lita levels at this point. At the end of the day Michelle didn't have an ounce of charisma, and it shows in how apathetic the fans are to her.
Oh, and I disagree that Melina had the best matches of her career with Michelle. vs. Mickie @ Backlash and vs. Beth in I Quit were better imo.
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Post by Tiffany on May 1, 2011 11:46:18 GMT -5
\As athletically talented and skilled as Michelle is, I can't say that I feel she deserved the opportunities and pushes (or rather, one endless push) she was given. why not? besides the fact that she's inept on the mic and is married to the undertaker, i've yet to receive a good reason why an admittedly "talented and skilled" person is undeserving of her accolades. i find that her mic skills, or lack thereof, have little to do with her in-ring accomplishments. i've enjoyed watching her matches. i also don't believe her missing house shows due to injury is a fair indication of her passion. Had WWE devoted that time to a Mickie or a Melina then I absolutely feel that they'd be placed on Trish/Lita levels at this point. i think Mickie joins the ranks of Michelle in terms of Divas who've received ample time and devotion, especially compared to others. Oh, and I disagree that Melina had the best matches of her career with Michelle. vs. Mickie @ Backlash and vs. Beth in I Quit were better imo. i think Night of Champions and the Great American Bash vs. Michelle were some of Melina's best matches. |
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Post by Tiarnán on May 1, 2011 11:50:56 GMT -5
Because I'm of the belief that the WWE should be pushing people who the fans care about, and that isn't the case with Michelle McCool. Sure, she's very talented and I imagine she's very passionate, but so are a bunch of wrestlers. Some people just don't have the star quality and charisma to carry a division, and imo Michelle is one of them.
Mickie didn't receive nearly the amount of effort as Michelle. Her popularity forced them to push her after her initial year; generally she was a backup choice after their preferred options fell flat on their faces (quite literal in some instances). Michelle is the opposite.
I liked the NOC match, but prefer the others I mentioned. I hated The Bash match, and both women are the blame, although the crowd is primarily responsible.
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Post by Tiffany on May 1, 2011 12:08:15 GMT -5
Because I'm of the belief that the WWE should be pushing people who the fans care about, and that isn't the case with Michelle McCool. Sure, she's very talented and I imagine she's very passionate, but so are a bunch of wrestlers. Some people just don't have the star quality and charisma to carry a division, and imo Michelle is one of them. well, I for one appreciate the contributions Michelle has made the division for the reasons I mentioned earlier. i think people are too fixated on her one fault to realize what exactly she brought to her matches and the division overall. per usual, her passion and talent are acknowledged yet still disregarded. at this moment, there isn't much of a division to carry. i think that will definitely become more apparent once the dust settles after the Laycool breakup, and leftovers like Eve and Alicia and the Bellas are given the spotlight. as for her being a wrestler over a talker, i'm hard-pressed to find many Divas on the current roster who are the total package, sry2say. it seems to be one or the other nowadays, or neither. Mickie didn't receive nearly the amount of effort as Michelle. Her popularity forced them to push her after her initial year; generally she was a backup choice after their preferred options fell flat on their faces (quite literal in some instances). Michelle is the opposite. I think Mickie did just fine, in all honesty. She's held more titles than Michelle and Melina and Lita, she was immersed in the biggest Diva storyline in recent memory, and I can't remember a time when she wasn't at the forefront of the division. Even when they were making fun of her weight, she was still receiving more screentime than some other Divas put together. |
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Post by Tiarnán on May 1, 2011 13:57:48 GMT -5
There isn't much of a division to carry because WWE have spent most of their time building up a woman nobody gives a damn about, the result being that women who could have actually made a positive impact on women's wrestling in WWE have been pushed to the side. By WWE standards Melina has gotten a lot of airtime and credit over the years, and yet when it comes down to it even she hasn't been allowed to develop a character since early 2007, excluding a few weeks in 2008. Meanwhile, Michelle has gotten a ton of time to do so for whatever reason. It's one thing to have loads of athletic ability and another to have the skill to carry a division. Michelle doesn't fit the mould. If a male can't get over in spite of wrestling talent then WWE are going to dial back on them, so I don't see why the opposite applies to the women.
And I don't support them pushing Eve and the Bellas to the forefront following McCool's departure, but that's not a reflection on how good Michelle is; rather, it's a reflection on how the writers and management choose to handle things. I assume they're the same people who have been in favour of the never-ending Michelle push.
If someone is given years to improve then I imagine many would rise to the challenge. If certain women on the roster were given that time then yeah, I do think they could become 'full packages'. In fact, there are women on the roster who they rarely let speak and yet are probably on level or better than Michelle is after four years.
No denying she did fine, but the only times WWE pushed her heavily were during the Trish angle and the Piggie James one. And unlike Michelle, Mickie rose to the occasion and shone like crazy both times around. It's not the same, because unlike Michelle, Mickie was over. Her popularity (and her ability) merited her push. Of course, hers still doesn't compare to Michelle's half-a-decade-long reign of terror.
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Post by Tiffany on May 1, 2011 18:07:46 GMT -5
There isn't much of a division to carry because WWE have spent most of their time building up a woman nobody gives a damn about, the result being that women who could have actually made a positive impact on women's wrestling in WWE have been pushed to the side. I don't think the weakness of the Diva division can be faulted entirely on Michelle. WWE has control over who gets pushed and who doesn't. if WWE happened to see something in Michelle that was deemed worthy of a push, then that's their prerogative. whoever these women of positive impact are, i'm not sure. but that's not Michelle's issue. of all the years i've had to listen to Divas rehash their careers, i don't think i've ever heard one ill-word spoken about Michelle McCool. iirc, she's always been deemed as willing to help and very concerned about the well-being of the division. i can respect someone who obviously cares and is will to lend a helping hand or take a bump for someone to ensure the division is the best it can be (under the circumstances). which is just one aspect where i think her presence will be missed. And I don't support them pushing Eve and the Bellas to the forefront following McCool's departure. Brie Bella is the current Divas Champion, and Eve is just right behind her in lineage. they're already heading in that direction. besides, i thought we were all in favor of giving opportunities to potential Divas? If someone is given years to improve then I imagine many would rise to the challenge. If certain women on the roster were given that time then yeah, I do think they could become 'full packages'. In fact, there are women on the roster who they rarely let speak and yet are probably on level or better than Michelle is after four years. ...If a male can't get over in spite of wrestling talent then WWE are going to dial back on them, so I don't see why the opposite applies to the women. the turnaround rate of Diva pushes follows a cycle; it always has. someone else will get their turn. just like after Trish left, there was room for Mickie and Melina in the top tier, so far and so forth. the Divas division is not comparable to the men's division in the sense that, the Divas are a marginalized division. unlike the men, WWE only pushes one or two Divas at a time. therefore, the standards of quality and expendability are much different. as far as other Divas not being given time, WWE has played hot potato with the Divas title for the past year, sans just Kelly Kelly and a couple others. i find it especially peculiar how we as Divas fans constantly pine for WWE to instill more effort into the division. yet, when two Divas are given more ring/storyline/promo time than we've seen in years, (while one Diva receives the biggest break in her career)... we still complain. No denying she did fine, but the only times WWE pushed her heavily were during the Trish angle and the Piggie James one. And unlike Michelle, Mickie rose to the occasion and shone like crazy both times around. It's not the same, because unlike Michelle, Mickie was over. Her popularity (and her ability) merited her push. Of course, hers still doesn't compare to Michelle's half-a-decade-long reign of terror. yeah, but it's being made to sound as if Michelle has been pushed ever since she first stepped foot in the WWE, which isn't the case. WWE began to push her as a fan favorite on Smackdown following the era of Melina. before then, she was fulfilling her role as a typical valet for a nobody tag team and serving as romantic storyline fodder for Jamie Noble and Chuck Palumbo. not exactly my idea of preferential treatment. her big push didn't really start until her first Divas title reign which began in 2008. which is only a few years ago. Even then, she only held the title for several months before relinquishing it to Maryse. looking back, i don't really see much of Michelle's influence pre-2007. for someone who's been around for almost a decade, i don't see why obtaining a successful run spanning 3 or 4 years is so outrageous. maybe surprising by today's Divas' standards, but it's definitely not unheard of. especially for a good wrestler. Mickie's received her fair amount of pushes. during her tenure, she has been favored over the likes of Beth, Melina, Alicia, Maryse, Gail, and pretty much everyone else. and i wouldn't say that Mickie particularly 'shone' in her Piggie James storyline. after a year of dwindling in-ring performance, that rivalry was the catalyst to get Laycool over, and the final shove to Mickie out the door. |
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